Atheists dub Jesus a ‘myth’ on Times Square billboard

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  1. Pat Goodin says:

    I remember reading in the Bible, ‘only the fool hath said in his heart, there is no God.’ When someone accepts Christ into their heart, and they receive the Holy Ghost, it leads and guides them into all truths. I heard a preacher say once, it’s better felt, than told. How I wish that atheists would have a change of heart like the apostle Paul did, when he met Jesus on the way to Damascus.

  2. Michael says:

    PS 14:1 is a message for these athiests”the fool has said in his heart,there is no God”.I pray that many of them will wake up and repent.

  3. Janine says:

    We are NOT under the law of Moses.
    From Sid Roths website – maybe you should post it John?
    http://www.sidroth.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5620&news_iv_ctrl=0&abbr=art_

    • JohnMcTernan says:

      This is from the first paragraph:”There are many important reasons why Christians should learn about the Jewish Roots of the Christian faith. But before we discuss them, let me address one common concern that many pastors rightfully have about this subject. When we talk about “Jewish Roots,” we are NOT teaching that Christians should come under the law of Moses, because “we are not under the law, but under grace” (Romans 6:14), or that Christians should appropriate modern Jewish worship traditions, such as wearing a prayer shawl (Tallit), or head covering (Kippah), or putting on phylacteries (Tiffillim).”

      I agree with and have been trying to convey this on the blog. I wish he would use a different word because “Hebrew Roots” is a very charged word.
      My contact with Hebrew Roots people has been a disaster, as they are self-righteous rather than Christ-righteous.
      I have engaged numbers of them through the years.
      This is what I constantly shared in the Comments about being Christ-righteous and not self-righteous by keeping the law of Moses.

      • Janine says:

        Phew. I can breathe a sigh of relief. I often feel very misunderstood and I think I’m seeing much clearer today. Feel much more anchored. Sid’s mentoring Kit and website articles help me alot. I’ll just stick to that because I feel the Holy Spirit led me there by peace. I found your blog after seeing you on His show. I think He is such a precious man full of Gods love and grace. And certainly spiritual wisdom and understanding. Bless you John.
        This article is a keeper hey! Helps with many a misunderstanding. Thank you God!!!! He answers prayer!

  4. Henry says:

    John.
    This is from Sid Roths website also.
    The love of God and the fear of the Lord. ‘Jew or gentile not taking Torah seriously’. Appreciate any thoughts?
    http://www.sidroth.org/site/News2?abbr=art_&page=NewsArticle&id=10501&news_iv_ctrl=1051

    • JohnMcTernan says:

      It is real long and I do not have time to read it.
      Is there any issue in it you want to address”

      • Janine says:

        So from this article I understand that the Jewish Roots people are choosing to be Torah Observant without being under the law of Moses. Correct?
        It’s also good to note that on Sids ‘Redefining the One New Man’ article it states regarding self-righteousness….
        As for having a “superior identity assertion,” it is possible that some Gentiles who are now keeping things such as Shabbat or the feasts, etc. may be seen by those who do not understand why they are doing so as having a superior attitude. We then must be especially Messiah-like in how we present our beliefs. “If possible, so far as it depends on you, be at peace with all men” (Romans 12:18) “and Pursue peace with all men, and the sanctification without which no one will see the Lord” (Heb 12:14). We must all be careful of self-righteousness, whether we’re on the “we do” or the “we don’t do” side of the fence. Either can serve to look at others who don’t see things as we do with a less-than attitude. Whether I’m being accused of pride or accusing others of it, I had better check my own humility-meter and be sure I’m operating out of a grateful and humble heart of love toward others including those who don’t see things as I do. None of us has all the pieces of the puzzle on our own, or even our own group.

        • JohnMcTernan says:

          What I am concerned about with you is being grounded in the person of the Godhead.
          You need to be grounded in the Trinity as it is most basic in placing your faith in the correct understanding of God.

          • Janine says:

            Yes. Thank you John. I grew up in a Catholic Church and then Nearly 20 years now in a Pentecostal charismatic church where the Trinity is always taught. Should have a good handle on it.
            The Christian doctrine of the Trinity defines God as three divine persons the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit. The three persons are distinct, yet are one “substance, essence or nature”.A nature is what you are, while a person is who you are.

          • JohnMcTernan says:

            Great!
            Make sure that you are grounded in the word
            so there is no doubt in mind.

          • Janine says:

            From Sid Roths website: re The Trinity
            “Just as Messianic Jews probably misunderstand some of the things you believe, I think you misunderstand some of the things I believe. We do not in any way believe in three gods. My God is one, and his name is the LORD (or, Yahweh, known to Orthodox Jews as HaShem). He revealed himself to us through his Son, the Messiah, who is the very image and reflection of God. And he touches us and speaks to us by his Spirit. These are deep, spiritual truths. Later theologians labeled this relationship the Trinity — God as a triune One. But the word ‘Trinity’ is not found anywhere in the New Testament and it may confuse the issues for you.” (See Answering Jewish Objections (Book) to Jesus, vol. 2, pp. 3-14.)
            Thanks for your website on teachings on the Trinity too.

          • JohnMcTernan says:

            The correct Biblical word is God.
            Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made,
            even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

            Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

            Within the Godhead is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

            So the correct word is the Godhead.

          • Janine says:

            Sorry John. You forgot to answer my question..
            “So from this article I understand that the Jewish Roots people (Sid Roth etc) are choosing to be Torah Observant without being under the law of Moses. Correct?
            And this is ok because it would guard from self-righteousness?

          • JohnMcTernan says:

            There is a fine line there of being Torah observant and self-righteous.

          • Janine says:

            So best not to be ‘Torah observant’?

          • JohnMcTernan says:

            What does Torah observant mean?
            No one can live the Torah and there is no reason to do it.
            There is absolutely no need for a male to be circumcised as Galatians 5 tells us.

          • Janine says:

            Do you have an issue with Sids explanation of Torah Observance then?

          • JohnMcTernan says:

            If it makes one righteous or holy, yes.

          • Janine says:

            Do you think Sid is saying that it makes one Holy and Righteous? I just wondered if you think that because you didn’t post it? Why didn’t you post his explanation on Torah observance? i I posted it because you asked what is Torah Observant? What about how he says it is a blessing for him to keep the sabbath and feasts and provokes the Jew to jealousy? Do you think that comes across as righteous & holy or they’re is something not right about what he is saying? Thanks

          • JohnMcTernan says:

            It was long and hard to read.
            If you post things like this again, please break it up into sections and maybe part 1 and 2.

          • Janine says:

            Fair enough. Here it is in a nutshell. Do you think if people like Sid keep Sabbath and the feasts ‘for blessing and provoking the Jew’ – it comes across as righteous and holy, so better they didn’t?
            WHAT IS TORAH OBSERVANCE! From Sid Roth’s Book – The Incomplete Church
            Torah Observance is not a matter of self-righteousness or salvation, but of blessing. Isaiah 58:13-14 says that those who observe the Sabbath are promised to be so blessed that they will “ride on the high hills of the earth.” Celebrating the feasts is not a “have to,” but a “want to.”
            Paul wrote, “The Jews require a sign [miracle]” (1 Cor. 1:22 KJV). When we move into these God appointed celebrations with Holy Spirit revelation and glory, miracles will take place, invoking jealousy in the Jews.

          • JohnMcTernan says:

            In this writing does the author refer to the Lord Jesus being our Sabbath rest?
            If not, it is an incomplete teaching and can lead people astray.

          • Janine says:

            Sad for Sid – & that you won’t post the answer and that you believe Sids teaching is incomplete and leads people astray!
            Blessings John.

          • JohnMcTernan says:

            I said very clearly that I disagree with article from Sid Roth’s website about the Sabbath.
            I told you that the Bible is the final authority and not me or Sid Roth.
            You must understand that for 20 years I have been engaging the Hebrew Roots movement.
            Sometime I grow tired of it as it never stops.
            I am delighted that you understand about the Lord Jesus being our Sabbath 24/7 365.
            I am also delighted that you understand the Bible is the final authority and to filter all things through the word of God.

          • Janine says:

            Sad John – that would mean so many people are buying his mentoring kit, wasting their money and being led astray. Perhaps I should send him an email???

          • JohnMcTernan says:

            I was not aware of this until you mentioned it.
            It is something that I will give thought to.
            Thanks

          • Janine says:

            Thank you. As it says in Romans I should pursue peace always! God bless you.

          • Janine says:

            “While we can debate doctrinal matters, they should not divide us”
            Romans 12:18
            If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men.
            I guess,sometimes, people just have to agree to disagree and trust God – ‘Not by might, not by power but by my spirit says the Lord’

          • Janine says:

            I just noted that the sabbath being a blessing is not from the Books of Moses but from Isaiah! Haven’t seen that verse before – certainly then wouldn’t come across as keeping it – as under the law of Moses (Righteous and holy) but He keeps it as a blessing to him.

          • Janine says:

            PART 2 (Torah Observance)
            These appointments (feasts) with God are not only Jewish appointments, not only biblical appointments, but God also calls them “My appointments!”
            There are seven specific appointments when God promises to meet with us. The first four were rehearsals of His First Coming and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. I believe the next two are rehearsals of His Second Coming. The seventh, the Feast of Tabernacles, is a rehearsal of the millennial rule of Jesus on earth. If you had attended a dress rehearsal (convocation) of His First Coming before it happened, you would not have missed it. The same is true today. Celebrating the rehearsals (convocations) will help you prepare for His return.
            In John’s Gospel, 660 of the 879 verses are directly related to events occurring at the feasts. How can you understand the Gospels unless you understand the feasts? Of course, you should never let a religious spirit put you under bondage to these rehearsals.

      • Janine says:

        I just read that very LONG article John. This is new?
        The New Testament is written to believers for the most part, and it presumes, since they were all Jews to begin with, that each person would have an awareness of God’s interactions with their people. Then when Gentiles began to come to faith, the apostles decided “that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood. For Moses from ancient generations has in every city those who preach him, since he is read in the synagogues every Sabbath” (Acts 15:20-21). What this is saying is that they expected that the new Gentile believers would now go to synagogue on the Sabbath, where they would hear the words that God gave to Moses, and abide by them as the Spirit enabled them to do so by grace. They only felt to remind them of the few paramount issues: No idolatry, no sexual sins, no eating of blood. So we see that the apostles expected the Gentile believers would take Torah seriously.

        …the apostles expected the Gentile believers would take Torah seriously.

        Nor did they expect that those commandments were done away with now that Yeshua had come. Yeshua’s disciples were very aware that they still served the same God Israel always had, only now they knew Him personally and intimately because they could come close to Him and relate to Him through His Spirit. They understood that Yeshua was the holiness, but also the grace and love of the Holy One of Israel (Isaiah 12:6, 17:7; there are almost thirty references to the Holy One of Israel just in Isaiah and Jeremiah.). Yeshua didn’t come and say, “Hey guys, listen. We’re starting all over, and you don’t have to pay attention any more to the things My Father said earlier. I’m taking over from here. Just listen to what I have to say from now on.” But many Christians live as if He did say that. And we miss a great deal of knowing God, as well as misinterpreting God, as a result.

        • JohnMcTernan says:

          I do not agree with this at all.
          The early church met in homes and were taught by the Apostles and not rabbis that did not believe in Jesus as their Savior.
          Acts 20:20 And how I kept back nothing that was profitable unto you,
          but have shewed you, and have taught you publickly, and from house to house,
          Romans 16:5 Likewise greet the church that is in their house. Salute my well beloved Epaenetus, who is the firstfruits of Achaia unto Christ.
          1 Cor 16:19 The churches of Asia salute you. Aquila and Priscilla salute you much in the Lord, with the church that is in their house.
          Col 4:15 Salute the brethren which are in Laodicea, and Nymphas, and the church which is in his house.
          Phm 1:2 And to our beloved Apphia, and Archippus our fellowsoldier, and to the church in thy house:

          “…the apostles expected the Gentile believers would take Torah seriously.:
          The apostles expected the believers to take their new life in Jesus seriously and walk in Him as their Sabbath rest.
          This teaching is way off.

          • Janine says:

            Thanks John. Disappointing. That was from Sid’s website.

          • Janine says:

            You highlighted ‘house to house’ not the bit before that says I taught you publically. Wasn’t it the apostles who taught in the synagogue every Sabbath as well?
            I guess the OlD TESTAMENT AND THE PROPHETS was the only bible they had back then! There wasn’t a New Testament. This would have been what Jesus had too and what He taught from.

          • JohnMcTernan says:

            Paul first went to the synagogue to preach Jesus to the Jews.
            When they rejected he then went to the Gentiles.
            Paul was rejected so how could he teach Jesus in the synagogues?

          • Janine says:

            So you think it’s safer to stick to your teaching and not Sid’s?

          • JohnMcTernan says:

            It is best to stick with the Bible as it is the final authority and not a person.

          • Janine says:

            Anyway, thanks for everything John.
            Be blessed in His word and as the Spirit leads you.
            Numbers 6:24-26
            “The Lord bless you and keep you;
            25 The Lord make His face shine upon you,
            And be gracious to you;
            26 The Lord lift up His countenance upon you,
            And give you peace.” ’

          • Janine says:

            Is this doctrinal
            Difference? If so, then you do not believe the same doctrine that Sid Roth believes because he approves this teaching.

          • JohnMcTernan says:

            I posted what I believe to be the truth.
            If it disagrees with something on Sid’s site so be it.

          • Janine says:

            So Be It then.
            God bless you John and thank you for all your time and patience.

          • Keith O. says:

            Act 13:4 ¶ So they, being sent forth by the Holy Ghost, departed unto Seleucia; and from thence they sailed to Cyprus.
            Act 13:5 And when they were at Salamis, they preached the word of God in the synagogues of the Jews: and they had also John to [their] minister.
            Act 9:20 ¶ And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.

            Clearly, they DID preach in the synagogues.

          • JohnMcTernan says:

            Yes, Paul went to the Jews first as required by Romans 1:16,
            Kieth please move to the new topics. This is getting real old now.

  5. Never could understand why Atheists are so threatened by/offended about this God they adamantly insist does not exist. Me thinks they doth protest too much. Silly atheists! God doesn’t believe in you either!

  6. Julia says:

    In reference to the british government to legalize same sex marriage and that it would strengthen the institution and not weaken it.There’s only one passage to fit this taken from the Holy Word and it is Jeremiah 4V22 God only says it once in the whole bible and thats the word sottish(STUPID) children.When people think that two of the same sex are able to multiply then the word stupid applies and I know GOD knows the hearts of each and every one so this is no surprise to him.John I ordered your book I can take the punches and am looking soooo forward to reading it! Have A Great Day.
    Julia

  7. Leigh says:

    Janine’s post prompted me to post this. It used to bother me greatly when disasters would strike, and I felt like it was judgement from God. Then I would hear all of these pastors teaching a GRACE only message, and it would confuse me. I knew the scriptures said God is the same yesterday, today and forever. There seemed to be a contradiction between the Grace only message, the scripture above, and judgement that I felt like was taking place. I prayed for a long time for God to show me the link between disasters, judgement, and grace. I was reading the Bible one day, reading Galations 5. For the sake of shortening this, I will only post one verse that is the key to this that I felt God opened my eyes to, and has much to do with everything you are posting on John. Galations 5:18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. If you go through and read all of Galations 5, there is much more, but this is the key scripture. Those that know and follow the Lord ARE under grace. You cannot be led by the spirit of God if you do not follow him. Now, this means that those that are NOT led by the Spirit are under judgement, thus explaining why disasters of the magnitude we have been seeing are occurring. The unblievers are under the law.

  8. TJ says:

    How much are we interceding for the people doing these things? The knowledge that there is a hell awaiting all who reject Jesus Christ should drive us to seek God on their behalf. God knows the end from the beginning. I have learned first hand that when they will not listen to sound doctrine, they can’t stop you from engaging in spiritual warfare on our knees. When I was in the military, some brothers and I had a saying,” Hit your knees before you hit your feet. You can’t do it in your own strength or with your own knowledge. GOD CAN. Remember Romans 8:36, As it is written: “For Your sake we are killed all day long; We are accounted as sheep for the slaughterPsalm 56:11 In God I have put my trust; I will not be afraid. What can man do to me?
    The church needs to “man-up, and take a stand.” I applaud you Pastor McT for taking a stand.

  9. Keith O. says:

    Because of our sin the land mourns, the birds die, the beasts die, the fish die, and so does our economy. The people will be ground into poverty and become MORE dependent on government. When the mark of the beast does come along they will almost feel like they have no choice BUT to receive the mark. Just think, they won’t even be able to buy toilet paper without it. No food, gasoline, toiletries, no pension or social security check without it. No paying the electric bill. It is very plausible that this will happen. People will have to either embrace “Babylonian” ways or reject them outright. It’s amazing to think that this system will affect the whole world-if my understanding of it is correct. As bad as it will be, people MUST REJECT the mark-even to the point of physical death. Taking it is to be eternally damnned. Hopefully, any unsaved person reading this will take note of this fact and remember in case they are around when that day arrives.

    • Janine says:

      I wonder what the mark will actually be?

      • Keith O. says:

        I don’t know. John McT has some interesting articles on the 666 surveilance system. Tatoo’s with RFID technology in them. Quite advanced. I believe India is doing something to their entire population-but I’m not sure what exactly. I think it’s interesting to note that the KJV talks about receiving the mark “in” the right hand or forehead and other translations render it as “on”. Perhaps one simple letter will bear significance.
        Chuck Missler made an observation wondering if it was a possible description of the “head wound” of the antichrist:
        Zec 11:17 Woe to the idol shepherd that leaveth the flock! the sword [shall be] upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened.

  10. If Atheists really believed what they say they believe about God and Jesus, they’d never bother with the silliness of the belief’s that we as God believers hold.

    They’d wink and smile and go on their enlightened way; but they don’t believe it, and that is why they need to get all the evidence out of their sight.

    Read: “Questions To The Atheist Believer”
    @ http://www.Ramona2U.net

  11. Lori says:

    The atheists don’t want to be reminded of Jesus, because that would make them accountable for where they spend eternity!

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