Jerusalem, Jerusalem, Jerusalem The Nations are going “mad” over it

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  1. Denise in MI says:

    Add to that the many acts of violence by ISIS still going on against Christians. Rape, torture, forced suicide bombings, etc., several articles just this weekend, while the world remains silent. Why is Obama allowing Muslim refugees related to terror in our country but doing nothing for the persecuted Christians from the same region? I already know the answer, as does everyone here. Still, my heart aches for our brothers and sisters in Christ. Come soon, Lord Jesus.

  2. The situation on Earth is much worse than all but a few realize. There will be a lot of shocked people in years to come, provided the Tribulation does not happen. If the Tribulation does begin, the shock will be multiplied many times.

  3. John You missed the parade in Jerusalem by the “Slutwalkers” It is well worth seeing. Not exactly what Our Lord had in mind for His City

    • JohnMcTernan says:

      After the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, when all Israel turns to Him, the city will be holy.
      God’s plan for Israel is right on track.

  4. Judy says:

    Mark 13:7 When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be …

    When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come.

    Yes, Lord Jesus Come Soon!!

  5. Norman, Shropshire, UK says:

    Terrible things have happened in Jerusalem over the centuries – things that are too much for us to take in as the frail, transient dust that we are. How good that the Lord is long suffering and merciful, and bears with us in our frailty, even amidst all his great and terrible judgements Early on a normal, quiet Monday morning from my readings in Psalms 80-88, how comforting is the Lord’s timeless love for Zion, which will ultimately prevail and be fulfilled through Christ Jesus. I have’n’t time or space to set out all the sure words from these psalms, just a few.
    Ps 86:15: ” But thou, O Lord, art a God full of compassion, and gracious, long suffering, and plenteous in mercy and truth.”
    Ps 80:17-19: “Let thy hand be upon the man of thy right hand, upon the son of man whom thou madest strong for thyself. So will not we go back from thee: quicken us, and we will call upon thy name. Turn us again, O Lord God of hosts, cause thy face to shine; and we shall be saved.”
    (Also the nations that have known thee, Lord? Thank you for past grace, but may we yet see a culmination, and a vindication of your glory, even amidst judgement – help us to be faithful as your witnesses, O Lord.)
    Ps 87:1-3: “His foundation is in the holy mountains. The Lord loveth the gates of Zion more than all the dwellings of Jacob. Glorious things are spoken of thee, O city of God. Selah.”
    Thy Kingdom come, Lord, Thy precious will be done in all the earth. We will stand by thy side, and keep our eyes on Thee. Amen

  6. John says:

    I find it somewhat interesting that while Kerry is pushing for talks with Iran which ultimately involve Israel that he breaks his leg. Maybe it’s a coincidence,maybe not.

  7. Catherine says:

    Did you know that the Greek 2 Euro has a picture of “Princess Europa” riding on the back of the beast?

  8. Marcel says:

    Today, Tuesday, June 2, Hussein O, leader of the freak world said that Israel is losing credibility with freak world due to it’s hesitance to commit national suicide to please them and the other forces of darkness. I strongly suggest to Obama and the other freaks that God has plum run out of patience with them and the nations are headed for bloody (civil war)division and destruction.
    Exactly what they intend for Israel is NOW upon all the nations, especially the chief betrayer of Israel, America Babylon.

  9. Norman, Shropshire, UK says:

    Friends in Christ – I have a problem – an issue with the way you seem to see things!
    I have read the Jerusalem Times report that Marcel cites above, and I wonder if you were an elected politician of your country, what any of you would do or say differently? You may not like your President – you may distrust him based on the evidence available to you, and of which I am ignorant. But I wonder what you wanted him to say? Can you not see that Netanyahu is taking a strong stand for political reasons? And can you not also see that Obama, whatever he believes in his heart, has to prevail upon him in the way that he does? It is in part, political posturing, as it has to be. These men are facing the real possibility of a nuclear conflagration, let alone all the other horrors that are already manifesting. It seems to me that the world is facing an impossible situation over Jerusalem and Palestine – beyond the wit of man to resolve. (This, as we know, is by the Lord’s design. All the Scriptures declare it – on that we are agreed.)
    Yes there are evil forces at work; but we alone are in the privileged position to know how it will all work out, and who is really in control. We cannot expect unregenerate, worldly politicians (be they American, British or Israeli), however upright and outwardly godly they may seem to be, to apply God’s word in a direct, carnal way (as it seems some Muslims do the Koran – witness the terrible deeds of Isis!). That remedy could manifestly lead to mutual extinction. Besides all this, I thought Daniel 9:27 – a false covenant for peace – was the ultimate (and much more likely) outcome of all this? And where is the temple? Who knows if there isn’t still quite a lot to happen yet – during which time we must occupy till the Lord comes, in terms of the gospel of his grace?
    This is our special privilege in him, whether we live or die in the process. Thankfully, we still have our freedom here in the West, so its more subtle in our case – mainly simply rejection – as Christ was, even by his own. Keep living for Christ – there is still much to do – although as the Apostle John rightly said; ‘The time is at hand’ (Rev 1:3). The Lord’s timing is perfect – and he was not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

  10. Marcel says:

    Norman, yes you do have a problem.
    First, there is no such thing as Palestine no matter how hard the enemies of God want it.
    Second, Netanyahu is a very weak and compromising leader and I have yet to see him take a “strong” stand. His nice speeches have yet to translate to action.
    He is so week that he allowed the witch Hillary to come to the rescue of Hamas during the first Gaza war in 2012. He is so weak that he failed to send a strong message to the followers of the false prophet by again failing to defeat Hamas last year.
    Have you noticed how quickly the US, EU, UN always come to the rescue of Hezbollah and Hamas in a few days or weeks telling Israel to stop before Israel has an opportunity to DEFEAT them while the wars in Ukraine, Syria, Iraq go on for years and years?
    The sad reality is that the bully nations in their evil hypocrisy use an extremely biased double standard when it comes to Israel and the violent, bloodthirsty followers of the false prophet mohammed.
    You asked what I would expect any politician (Obama) to say ?
    HOW ABOUT THE TRUTH for a start. It is Islam that is the cause for no peace, they can’t even live in peace among themselves and if you refuse to see the evil of your leaders ( and our abominable and pathological liar Obama)and every other nations seeking to sacrifice Israel to the demon god allah for the LIE of peace then darkness is clouding your mind and that is a very dangerous place for any soul to be.

  11. Judy says:


    What would I want from the reprobate in the white house? How about the truth? He is a pathological liar. He can’t be trusted by us or by Israel.

    Originally he claimed he was muslim. Then he claimed he is Christian. Now he claims he is more Jewish than anyone. Really?? He is going to have to face The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

    Marcel: Sorry I repeated your sentiments, but perhaps if we all say the same thing often enough and with honesty people will listen. Perhaps……..

  12. Dan.w says:

    Father God…..Thank you for my family here.I’m grateful for brothers Norman,and Marcel.Thank you brother John for this forum where we can express various views,ideas,and,still in the end,we are united in Christ,our only hope…now and for eternity.Dan.w

  13. Norman, Shropshire, UK says:

    Marcel – just so there’s no misunderstanding (1) I use the term ‘Palestine’ in a generic sense, as it was used throughout much of history of the region – by the Romans, the Turks, and under the British Mandate. The word is even in the Bible itself (Joel 3:4), though territorially, its extent will vary with context. It does not imply that there is a Palestinian nation, for as we know, the land lay desolate and sparsely populated for centuries under the Ottoman Turks. (2) We are, I believe, living in an era when nationalism identified with Christendom is changing towards a global secularism. In one sense, this is part of the great ‘falling away’. God has used the nations in a particular way, but it was always only a reflection of the true Christian spiritual capital available in those nations. We should bear in mind people like Nero were in power, when Paul wrote 1 Tim 2. (3) By definition, there is not one born again Christian who can stand up and say ‘I know what I know because its what I was taught by my parents, or at school, or at church’ or because I am a citizen of this or that Christian country – we are born again individually by God’s mercy and grace (Jn 1:12) – translated from the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of light. So we talk up to those without, not down see how Paul addressed the secular politicians of his day in Acts 25ff. (4) The only command to mankind at this point in history is that ‘all men everywhere should repent’, and acknowledge Christ, and his resurrection from the dead (Acts 17:30). Of course, the outworking of that command is by God’s gracious wind of the Spirit, of which no man knows whence it cometh nor whither it goeth (Jn 3:8) In the mercies of God, our testimony and prayers play a part here – but never the gun or the sword (Jn 18:36). Even within families, we often find a sword of division – try settling that by force!
    (4) Consider the justice of God: he made his grace in Christ known, first through faithful Jews, then through the Gentiles, albeit there were many battles for truth along the way. Now, he is allowing the old forms to fall away, so that his just ways can be seen: judgement upon the nations – which itself is a mercy, since it will cause many people to see something is wrong, and to begin seek the Lord, including among the Muslims. (5) Another part of that plan is for the land of Israel and his covenant to the Jews to be revived in mercy, in readiness for Jesus’ return to rule from Jerusalem. This is clearly still a work in progress, and there is a time of great tribulation approaching.
    (6) I understand your feelings, especially if you are speaking as an Israeli citizen or are Jewish. However, I think it is a fact that restraint has proved the best policy for Israel: both in 1967 and 1973, she was vindicated, and indeed, rewarded. But for the Christian, whether Jew or Gentile, the only real means of engagement is prayer based on God’s eternal word, and fruit-bearing to match (Thy Kingdom come, Lord.)
    (7) I share these views not by way of argument, but rather, as a plea to reflect upon. I feel it is important that we make every endeavour to maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace – true peace I mean – in the spirit of Ephesians 4. We must mirror the character of Messiah, the Son of Man – there are so many counterfeits around now, how else will the world know him, except by the fruit they see, in fulfilment of the word?
    Thank you for bearing with me.

  14. Marcel says:

    Judy, no apology is needed for speaking the truth boldly and in love. No apology ever for being zealous towards the Lord. The compromised don’t like it because it exposes their double minded religious hypocrisy.
    Dan- various views and idea’s ?
    How about if we stand up with the truth and expose the lies and works of darkness. I’m reminded of how devious politicians so easily dupe naive Christian’s by holding a bible or quoting a verse from the Bible and after the election go right back to doing the work of satan for his NWO. The best deceiver’s and liar’s always wins in this corrupt, evil, doomed and godless system with a false facade of phony, dead religion.
    This now cursed nation love their fellow liars as Obama, Bush, Clinton have proven beyond any doubt.

  15. Marcel says:

    Norman, the word ‘palestine’ was a debasing term instituted by Rome in a Satan inspired and purpose driven attempt to erase the memory of Israel. The Romans took the term from Israel’s mortal enemies the Phillistines. A careless or ignorant Christian uses that term unwisely.
    It must be hard for Christians in the UK and Europe now over run (with their respective government’s sanctioned invasion) by the Islamic hordes to obey Ephesians 5:11. If you speak the truth (that Mohammed was a false prophet and Islam is a lie you risk death at the hands of Muslims or arrest by your dhimmi government for ‘ hate crimes’. So I understand your reluctance to address the truth clearly. Sadly the powerless church is reduced to empty religious discourse void of the truth that always offends those under Satan’s power. Europe and the UK already have become enslaved to Islam and this is why the reprobate cowards in leadership find it so easy to pile on Israel.
    God’s judgment on spiritually dead Europe, the Islamic invasion; is now underway in America.

  16. Judy says:


    Your wisdom is outstanding. You see so clearly what the issues are and how to address them. I enjoy your posts so much and learn from them. Much of how you say what you say sounds so much like the Prophets of the Old Testament. They too were straight forward with their words. God Bless you brother and keep telling the truth. Perhaps some scales will fall from some eyes before it is too late for them.

  17. Norman, Shropshire, UK says:

    Marcel – as ambassadors for Christ, I see no good from railing against rulers! God’s word clearly shows its only by faith that we can please him, and its initially his gift anyway. Walking in Christ sooner or later entails persecution – if only misunderstanding from the world, from loved ones and even some who’d lift up their heal against us from within the Church. We’d never want such sin to be held to their charge, so we avoid giving offence where we can – it isn’t through fear.
    I believe understanding the prophecies concerning Israel’s future is privileged information – the world is blinded and cannot see it. Paul says he was like that once, and persecuted the Church of Christ – calling himself the least of all saints.
    What I’m really saying here is that we must follow Christ, not politics. Everything else then falls into place.
    Also, I note how the UK and Europe is sometimes stereotyped on this blog as ‘over-run’ by Muslims.. Certain cities, yes, but they are mostly law-abiding, and with the decline of our own culture, who can blame them for wanting to adhere to Islam, sad though it is to say this. In rural parts, there are hardly any Muslims, and its the same with Jewish communities. Let me know if you’re ever nearby, and I will endeavour to show you around. It isn’t all bad – there’s still much to give thanks for, which is why the immigrants keep pouring in – but time is short, and things are changing fast, I agree.

    • JohnMcTernan says:

      The Muslims are eating your nation like a cancer.
      Where they are in power that section of England goes under Sharia law.
      Your politicians are judgment from God as they promote Islam and homosexuality at every turn.
      The judgment is slow and steady until there is no United Kingdom.

  18. Marcel says:

    ‘I believe understanding the prophecies concerning Israel’s future is privileged information’ Norman
    How absurd ! Are you speaking as “clergy” with the Church of England or with some other privileged group. Yes of course the politicians who now do Satan’s bidding with one accord would love for their evil deeds to remain in darkness and you are their little ‘religious helper’ of course. How sad that so many within our ranks surrender in submission to this growing darkness.
    Like you said John, the madness of the nations grows in Satan inspired and rabid intensity.,7340,L-4664447,00.html
    Judy, as He led you and your husband into Jeremiah and the prophets so has He led me for many years.Nothing new under the sun, it seems to all repeat.
    The unambigious Word,It really makes everything clear (and its for all who seek, not just the priviliged) and removes the thin veneer of false religion from the surface that has so many double minded souls bound who think they can serve two masters.

  19. Norman, Shropshire, UK says:

    John – those are withering words – not without some truth, I grant you, but I’d say grossly overstated. Have you been over here recently? I guess if the above was your view, that’s all you’d see. In any case, who is claiming any future for this present world – its all a matter of degree, and a matter of time. Meanwhile, mercy, answered prayer, faithful witness and redemption are still in evidence, Praise God, as we each keep our eyes on Jesus.

    • JohnMcTernan says:

      How can we sit back and let the devil take over without a fight from the church?
      There are no massive repentance meeting crying out to the Lord for an outpouring of the Holy Spirit.
      The church for the most part seems powerless and there is NO excuse for this.
      Are the vast amount of pastors hirelings?
      The church seems to be at ease in Zion in face of what is coming, or is it cowardliness in the face of the devil?

  20. Dan.w says:

    I’ll be checking out for awhile.Sometimes it’s best to say nothing,than the wrong thing.I value the Body of Christ too much to see it hurt.God bless all,Dan.w

  21. Judy says:


    Staying out of politics is why your country and the United States are being run by pure evil.

    Christians think they can sit in the pew and wait for the Rapture and everything will turn out ok. What about the lost souls who aren’t sitting in those pews? I get involved in politics. I campaign for those who stand for good. I work in our Precincts during the Primary and General elections. I am serving on our Grand Jury to be a watch dog over our elected politicians.

    John and Marcel are absolutely correct Norman. Please pray about your opinions and ask for guidance from the Holy Spirit. I think you mean well, but you are misguided.

  22. Judy says:


    I just read an article about how the UK Student Union are in full support of boycotting Israel and Jews. Were you aware of this news? How do you feel about it?

  23. Norman, Shropshire, UK says:

    John, I feel I’ve said enough already; but you raise some important questions . Very briefly, this is how I see it – and I want end on a conciliatory note. Although the word encourages us to look for that city whose builder and maker is God, I also believe that as priests in the Spirit of our great High Priest, we are well-placed to bring everything we see going on around us to the throne of grace. And we’d be strange creatures indeed if we did not also love our countries, and plead God’s mercy for them. I’m 100% convinced he understands, because it reflects exactly his redemptive love.
    Just before our recent general election, I felt led of the Lord to join with a national group of intercessors up north. The meeting wasn’t ‘massive’, by any means, but in our weakness, there was a genuine sense of holiness, and we did see a very remarkable specific answer to our prayers. I think it’s a general principle that our dear Lord is often pleased to work with small numbers, and we don’t need to be complicated about it, either. We started by giving thanks to God for past mercies towards our country, and continued by saying we knew we now fully deserved his judgement. We then asked that we might be given a little space more to apply the gospel in Holy Ghost power.
    Recently, I wrote a circular letter to friends entitled ‘Christ’s victory over human failure’. What I think is plain to see is that all-out revival, such has been promised by certain high profile ministries in recent years, is not going to happen. Israel failed him in the past; and now the Church (in general terms) is failing him, too: but out of the chaos that follows, the Lord’s name will be glorified.
    Meanwhile, a largely unseen faithful remnant exists. We don’t rejoice to be few in number, but sadly, that’s just how it is – we all wish we were the least. We can do no other but to stand in the evil day, strong in the word, and faithful in prayer, recognising that the behavioural principles of Eph 4 and 5, precede Eph 6, that our prayers be not hindered.

    • JohnMcTernan says:

      This is meant to encourage you and NOT to attack you

      When you say a revival is not going to happen, and enough believers think like this, then it will not happen.
      This is the problem I have with this mindset, it is defeated before you even start.
      Our job is to stand in the name of Jesus and cry out for an outpouring of the Holy Spirit, and the rest is up to God.
      Maybe it will be localized or just winning souls and not touch the government actions.
      Maybe it will arrest the spirit of the antichrist until the rapture of the church.
      But when we pray for an outpouring of the Holy Spirit something good has to happen.
      The outpouring of the Holy Spirit did not end at Pentecost as it continues right up to the Day of the LORD.

      Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
      Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
      Act 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
      Act 2:19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
      Act 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
      Act 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

      You need a new and fresh mindset anchored in Acts2 and Joel 2 and do not turn to the right or left.
      You stand and you are welcome to stand with us as we seek a glorious outpouring of the Holy Spirit before the Lord Jesus comes for His bride.

  24. Marcel says:

    The ‘christian’ frog settled down comfortably in the big pot of warm water.Even when the water got hotter, good old denial gave the frog more confidence to settle down and not rock the boat of the well meaning and good people who provided the heat, the water and the nice comfy pot to relax in.
    Not much later the frog in deep denial was cooked nice and tender, soft and no longer a threat to the evil ones he allowed to deceive him because it was an easy wide road of least resistance to follow.The now dead frog was taken out of his comfortable pot of death and cut up and made ready to eat. Modern day Christian’s in the West are the frog.They’ve become quite soft and sweet tasting having lost any salt they once had.
    They are powerless as they lay sleeping in the now boiling pot and the many Chef’s in the kitchen, Obama, G7, EU, UN,Satan knows this all too well. Thank God, He does have a remnant not willing to surrender so easily but resist evil.

  25. Barbara in VA says:

    How to start this comment? To say I am disturbed by the tone of the comments in this post is putting it mildly. I have lost sleep over it! I firmly believe in being passionate about certain things, but when passion takes over, clouds our minds, and causes us to misinterpret what others are saying about the same issue, then passion becomes a cruel weapon to be used in a very unloving, unChristian way. When it causes name-calling against a brother or sister in Christ, it changes from passion to something evil.

    What I see here on these particular comments is that passion has surpassed reasonable discussion and become hateful and very disturbing. John’s ministry and the people who are part of this forum have been my church family since I discovered that the pastor of the church where I had been a member for quite some time, whom I thought I knew, declared during an endtimes teaching that Israel was no longer part of God’s plan (replacement theology), there was no 7 years of tribulation (Jacob’s Trouble), and there was no millennial reign of Jesus on earth. So Abba Father’s International Fellowship has become my church, you are my church family, and John is my Chaplain.

    It is bad enough that Christians are being attacked physically and
    socially around the world without being attacked by other Christians. I was not going to mention names, but I have decided to mention at least one (the rest of you will recognize yourselves). Dan has been a respected and discerning member of this group for quite a while now. I would call him a peacemaker–Matthew 5:9 (KJV) Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
    When he said “views and ideas” that is exactly what was being discussed–not Doctrine, not specific Scripture, etc.–just views and ideas. But some of you have attacked another brother because of his views and ideas. It is going much too far to accuse someone of double minded religious hypocrisy.

    This is too long already and I haven’t said even half of what I feel. This seems to have started because someone living outside the US does not understand the frustration that we have living under a president who is so evidently Muslim. When we reply to someone’s comment, it should be very careful that we understand exactly what he/she is saying and be very, very careful in any response. Regardless of our personal passions, we need to realize that even though someone believes as we do, they may not be as passionate as we are about that particular subject. It doesn’t mean they are totally blind, ignorant, uncaring, etc. Folks, I’m speaking from personal experience and love for each and every one of my brothers and sisters. God bless all of us.

    Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.
    1 Thessalonians 5:11 KJV


    • JohnMcTernan says:

      Please don’t lose sleep over this.
      I am sorry that it affected you this way.
      This issue is dear to my heart because of the defeated attitude of so many in the church, and I find this from so many believers in Europe.
      This mindset has fought me all my ministry, so I react to it.
      I just want to show people how to stand against it and not roll over act spiritually dead.
      If anything gets too intense, please email me about it and do not get upset.
      I get many emails from homosexuals, and don’t post the majority as I know how upsetting it can be.
      God bless you.

  26. Denise in MI says:

    Many pastors are too comfortable with the status quo. They don’t want to make waves, lose their tax exemption, or lose members and their offerings, so they try not to offend. If one is unwilling to preach about sin, how can they preach about repentance? What’s the greater offense, not preaching sin, or allowing people to go to Hell? When’s the last time a pastor even mentioned that there is a Hell?

    Many are influenced by prosperity preachers or programs to improve the Self. By building up the ego, or showing acceptance–approval, even–of alternate lifestyles or “different paths to God” they negate the need for the Savior. How can the Church be set apart if we’re living like the world? Only a handful are watchers, warning of the coming destruction and willing to fight. Most are lying down and taking it. Many are asleep, while the Bridegroom is on the way. (HE didn’t struggle with offending people with the Truth. He didn’t come to be politically correct.)

    Very few preach about the Rapture of the Church, and some even mock it. It’s not even taught in many seminaries, at least not the Pre-Tribulation Rapture. Some think there’s always been tribulation and what’s going on is just more of the same. But the Lord’s wrath is a totally different thing, and He said His Church would not suffer it. He’s giving us clues that His wrath is near, but many have no “ears to hear.” Like Marcel said, they are “sheeple,” and their “shepherds” are leading them astray. These leaders will be judged harshly.

  27. Denise in MI says:

    Five comments posted while I was writing, so I wanted to explain that I was responding to John’s earlier comment that the Church has no excuse for being powerless. I was agreeing. I still pray for repentance, reform, and revival. I know prayer changes things and that there is still a chance that the Lord will pour our His Spirit here. Many across the world are coming to Christ–even in China, I read–like never before. We’re the ones going in the wrong direction. We’ve had the Lord’s blessings since we became a nation, but we’ve taken Him for granted. We’ve never been imprisoned or persecuted for belonging to Christ, like Pastor Saeed Abedini or the 70,000 in prison in N. Korea. We’ve capitulated to so much already; will we be willing to go to jail for being a Christian? Some are saying it will be considered a hate crime.

    I don’t think anyone here has given up on the Holy Spirit (but maybe on our leaders). I think there’s a restlessness, knowing that the Lord could come any day, but wondering what’s going to happen in the meantime–how much the Church will have to go through until then.

    Keep lifting each other up in prayer. Each voice here is important, every contribution valued. I gain so much from all of you.

  28. Barbara in VA says:

    John, I hope you did not think I was referring to you in my comment! Goodness, no! The comment that upset me so much was when someone referred to another as “double minded religious hypocrisy”. That is name calling at it’s worst! and caused my reaction.

    God bless all of us and forgive us of our carnal judgments of each other. May we learn to really listen to our brothers and sisters before condemning their ideas. Lord, we need YOU most of all, but here on earth we need each other for support. And if we disagree with someone, Lord, help us to wait and be sure we understand what our brother is saying before we speak one word. Thank you, Lord, for your patience with us! Help us to remember this verse in Luke, “And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise”. Amen


  29. Mary E. says:

    Thank you very much for both of your insightful comments. I want it to go on record that I am in total agreement with you, my sister-in-Christ. Like you ,for the last 5 years, I have looked to this blog and fellow commenters as my Church. I cherish the fellowship I have had over the years, because if you are truly a watchman, whose passion is the prophetic, it can be a very lonely road to travel. It is for this reason that I must speak out against tearing fellow believers apart, for the very simple reason that is not scriptural and it grieves the Holy Spirit. Paul knew this situation all too well when he wrote in Philippians 2:1-5

    “If you have any encouragement from being united with Christ, if any comfort from His love,if any fellowship with the Spirit, if any tenderness and compassion, then make my joy complete by being like minded, having the same love, being one in Spirit and purpose. Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourselves. Each of you should not only look to your own interests, but also to the interest of others. Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus.”

  30. Norman, Shropshire, UK says:

    Thank you John. I agree revival can take various forms. Bishop J C Ryle’s book ‘Evangelical Leaders of the Eighteenth Century’ tells how bad things were in England in the early 18th century. All 13 came out of the Church of England – Whitefield and Wesley being 2 – none from the Dissenting churches,. About 18 months ago, the Spirit moved upon me to pray for a particular family I visited in the countryside, and later that day, a friend in that area filled in some background. ‘The soft under-belly of Jonah’s Whale’ floated into my mind, which I couldn’t interpret until I read Jonah. I wrote up the experience, and added a picture of the ancient local church in their village with the heading ‘CAN GOD REVIVE?’ Jesus’ words beneath read: “Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment” (John 7:24). Jonah didn’t think Nineveh could repent, nor deserved to be saved even if they did. But the Lord was concerned, even for the cattle! I relate this as a parable, for reassurance. When the Spirit moves, we’re empowered (not the hype we’ve seen in recent years). I’m speaking of Romans 8 prayers, with a holy weeping. Hence the soft underbelly, with rivers of living water pouring out! Jonah also speaks of all God’s billows going over him. In my experience, remnant saints have been through much hard pruning. God can then move sovereignly from the grass roots – Laodicea is by-passed. So yes, I do agree with you, but with a holy realism, in light of God’s word for our times. Thank you, Barbara & Dan!.

    • JohnMcTernan says:

      Remember, that if you do not seek revival and outpouring of the Holy Spirit, it will NOT come.

  31. Dan.w says:

    Dear sister Barbara and Mary..Both of you have a servants heart and are sensitive to your fellow brethren.God richly bless both of you for it.My grandparents on my mom’s side were very explosive alcoholics,and I remember the bitter,angry words that they railed against one another.It sticks in my mind to this day 50+ years later.I love all of you in Christ.You two ladies are shining examples many could learn from.In my past,I’m sure I’ve said things I wished I could take back,but once it’s out…well,you know,Some folks do not realize the power of words,for good or evil.All I know is,I will gladly go the extra mile to reconcile or be a peacemaker…..but when I run against someone who has an antagonistic spirit or seems to argue for arguments sake,I will gladly defer.One day soon,most of the conversations we’ve had here,will not even be a memory when we see Christ in all His glory.I’m not a know it all,and to protect fellowship,I’d be wrong if we could remain a harmonious family.Some people seem to have toxic personalities,and I cannot be around that.I’ve lived it.To all of you,I want the Lords best for you.Please don’t mistake a compassionate heart for one weak on doctrine.Theres a world of difference.This ministry has many good qualities….I don’t want to take away from that,we have enough work to do.All of you are hard at work,and true to Christ..It shows.God bless you too brother Norman,Dan.w

  32. Marcel says:

    Preach the word; be instant in season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come…
    2 Timothy 4; 2
    The time has come where the church has become so effeminate that it is no longer possible to reprove or rebuke or exhort.
    Weak, powerless, thin skinned, so easily offended.
    That is not the bride Jesus is returning for. The bride has not yet made herself ready. The soon coming refining fire Jesus is sending will accomplish the much needed work in His sickly body.

  33. Dan.w says:

    Amen brother Marcel,and brother John.

  34. Dan.w says:

    Dear sisters Barbara and Mary………Because of you both,I’m back.You both are a blessing,thank you,Dan.w

  35. Mary E. says:

    Marcel, Thank you for the scripture. I was wondering if you could clarify something for me. When you refer to the church and the Bride, do you see them as being different or one and the same?

  36. Mary E. says:

    Dan, What would we do without you on this blog? It is essential that we all edify, encourage, and exhort one another, until the Lord calls, “Come Up Here!”

  37. Norman, Shropshire, UK says:

    Here is a gem on what happens when the Holy Ghost moves in revival. Note that it doesn’t just drop on people. but is a sovereign work of God in prepared, uncelebrated vessels, We also have to be aware that these events – glorious though they are to read about – must be contextualized in our own times and culture. But we can always prepare our hearts through being steeped in God’s word, and we can always pray in the secret place.
    I met such a man in the local supermarket last evening – an old friend who I’ve known since his conversion. A gardener by trade, he displays a meekness and openness to the Spirit. The Lord used him recently to minister to 2 dying friends of his – not fellow believers – just friends. He ministered Christ’s love, even as life was ebbing away, and related the peace, beyond his understanding.
    In this link to an old on-line book about Charles Wesley, you need to start reading from p.78, and on to p.79. I think you will be blessed.

  38. Denise in MI says:

    Norman, that was nice. Sounds like a good book. The Newgate part made me think of the thief on the Cross.

  39. Dan.w says:

    I thank God every day for each of you,Dan.w