Pope Francis Heading to Holy Land With Rabbi and Imam as Interfaith Wing Men

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  1. peggy says:

    That’s a good enough reason right there that I would not listen to catholic teaching on prophecy, they don’t even believe in the rapture. Where is their hope?
    We which are alive and remain will be caught up to meet the Lord and that is the word of God and that is the promise I am holding onto

  2. Danielle says:

    Hello everyone! Peggy , please correct me if I’m wrong … But I would guess that you liked my answer to my Mom when she asked why I “left the Church?” How can we LEAVE the Church, when we ARE the Church ?! The Church is not a building! Thank God your neighbor loved you enough to share the Truth and told you of your need to repent and be born again! Yes, it feels great to be set free from all the garbage, deception, lies, and darkness as we came into “His marvelous Light! ” Also, would like to thank Brother John for teaching us the difference between a humble person who is honestly seeking to know more about God and His Word, and one who only wants to argue .. I believe the term is ” Spiritual Debilitator”? – Shalom

    • JohnMcTernan says:

      This engagement between me and Matt is good for everyone to follow.
      It lets you see what is behind Rome and the pope compared to the word of God.
      His salvation is through the Roman church and not through the Lord Jesus Christ, although he will try and say it is.
      At this point, he is not a debilitation as he is not attacking the Blessed Hope, but he did come close.
      This is what is so ironic. I have assurance of eternal life with Jesus Christ. God is my Abba Father, and I live with the Blessed Hope.
      Why would I ever want to go under the doctrines of Rome? Would I then have the hope of one day getting out of purgatory?
      Matt, do you think you are going to purgatory or directly to heaven?

  3. Matt says:

    John,
    The Roman Catholic Church is my teacher on matters of salvation, faith and morality. I trust their interpretation of the Bible and prophecy. Their theology is uniformly consistent and supported by numerous saints and mystics over 2,000 years. I will never abandon the Church due to immoral popes or the very few pedophile priests.

    Regarding purgatory, Catholics dogma believes in its existence. After death, God does not allow any imperfection or sin on a soul, until it is purged, into Heaven. Every debt must be repaid. Every imperfection must be cleared. “But nothing unclean shall enter [heaven]” (Rev. 21:27). Make friends quickly with your accuser, while you are going with him to court, lest your accuser hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the guard, and you be put in prison; truly I say to you, you will never get out till you have paid the last penny (Matthew 5:25-26).

    • JohnMcTernan says:

      This is by far Matt’s most significant post, as it gets at the heart of the gospel of Jesus Christ and the authority of the Bible.
      I trust only what Moses and Prophets along with the Apostles wrote.
      There is no need for popes or mystics to tell me what the Bible means.
      2Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

      I use the Bible to judge correct doctrine, and by using the Bible, I must reject nearly all the doctrines of Rome as manmade and contrary to the Bible. This starts with the pope and Catholic priesthood.
      2Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: (17) That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

      Next, you offered NO verses to substantiate the doctrine of purgatory.
      The doctrine of purgatory is heresy and denies the work of the Jesus Christ on the cross.
      It shows that the popes, priests, numerous Catholics saints and mystics for 2,000 do not know the saving gospel of Jesus Christ and are promoting a false gospel of salvation.
      A manmade gospel from Rome and not God.
      I am purified of sin the shed blood of Jesus Christ on the cross. He paid the penalty for sin which I could not. This penalty is eternity in hell. This is basic Christianity.
      Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
      Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
      Eph_1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
      Eph_2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
      Col_1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
      Col_1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
      Heb_9:7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:
      Heb_9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
      Heb_9:13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
      Heb_9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

      I can provide more and more verses to show the true gospel of Jesus Christ that it is the blood and only by the shed blood of the Lord Jesus Christ that we are forgiven of sin and have assurance of eternal life.
      To Rome, the blood is not enough to pay the penalty of sin but purgatory is needed.
      I am clean before the Father because of the shed blood of Jesus Christ.
      Once gain Matt, please come out from the false doctrines of Rome and trust in Jesus Christ and His shed blood on the cross for your complete salvation.
      If you believe in purgatory, you need to repent of this direct attack on the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross.

  4. peggy says:

    Yes Danielle
    You are correct, we are the church, should have wrote, I left Catholicism. It isn’t about religion, it is about relationship, or as I listen to Alan horvath say, pitching our tent with Elohim

  5. Tom says:

    I don’t think that Matt is a “spiritual debilitator” at all. I find nothing wrong with a healthy discussion and debate. Critical thinking minds are generally inquisitive and as a practical matter difficult to decieve. As Born-Again-Evangelical Christians we should be prepared to defend and proclaim His Word and not be dismissive for dismissive sake. I always welcome the challenge. I have not engaged in this ongoing friendly fray because Matt is better than most who have come to this blog to argue a point; he has done so without miligning or denegrating anyone nor has he attacked the Christian belief system shared by most who visit here; although he has come close.

    One of the debating tactics that he has somewhat employed is that of trying to take control of the discussion by choosing what questions to answer and then he does so in an indirect manner called hedging (ala Jay Carney). This works well when someone is trying to verbally obscure–especially while under pressure of verbally debating, but it doesn’t work well where written words are easily reviewed for one to ponder and investigate as on this blog.

    There is much wrong with Matt’s arguments from evasive answers to false premises to an appeal to false authority to conclusions that deny the premise, but he presents what he believes sincerely and well. It gives all who have read his diatribe the opportunity to see how ingrained the beliefs, customs, and traditions of Catholicism are in the mind of those who are in that non-Christian belief system and how difficult it is for someone to break free from it.

    It is my hope that Matt will continue to visit here and see the Holy Bible for what it is and not that as he has been inculcated it to be, and that in the process he finds that Jesus Christ is his personal saviour– a Holy God– not in need of a personal secretary or intermediary of whom one must rituously plead and make an appointment for petitions and prayer.

    In His Service,
    Tom

    • JohnMcTernan says:

      Very accurate assessment of what is happening.
      I feel that debating Matt over what the Bible states compared to the teachings of the Catholic Church is good.
      You are exactly correct about the written responses as it is permanent for all to see.
      If anyone is not interested in this debate, just ignore it.

  6. Dan.w says:

    Christ work on the Cross was complete.He said ‘It is finished!’,..not…to be continued next week.God bless you brother John,and all you others who contend for the true faith.This discourse is what we need now to sharpen our spiritual skills…If it draws you to study God’s Word,..then it’s a good thing.Thank you Matt.,Dan.w

  7. Matt says:

    Dan,
    Catholics agree that Jesus’ shed blood on the Cross is redemptive. Where we differ with others is that we work on our salvation throughout our lives with “fear and trembling” as St. Paul stated. We are fallen sinful creatures since Adam and Eve. I am not perfect, nor is any human being on earth. Sin is anything against the will of God, for example, like gluttony, sloth, avarice, pride, selfishness, etc. We need to constantly seek repentance and conversion and with the grace of God we steer away from sin. It is a journey. Simply stating that you have faith in God that you will be saved is not enough. Matthews 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.”

    • JohnMcTernan says:

      Sorry, but you believe in purgatory, which is found no where in the Bible, which means to Rome that Christ’s work
      on the cross was not sufficient for salvation.
      There is no place called purgatory as it was made up by the Catholic Church.
      When believers in Christ die, they do directly into His presence.

      2Corinthians 5:6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: (7) (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
      (8) We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

  8. Joni says:

    It seems there must not be any scripture to show that we must step into a closet, with a man who the odds are high, has a sexual deviancy, and “confess” our sins to him, so that he may give us his earthly, sinful mans opinion on what might right our wrongs with God? Or any scripture that would show that the man in the robe, with the pagan “fish god style hat” that pretends to turn a mere wafer of bread and a glass of wine into actual REAL flesh and blood, (to satisfy the believers of cannibalism at the time and draw them in too) has any authority over ANYONE, or who has supernatural powers from God, to watch over all of his sheep? The man with the super power glasses who see’s all? Even “sees’ in “holy vision”, not 20/20?
    The one who sweeps the filth under the rug, while counting all the money in the coffers? The one who zeros in on dysfunctional families, and grooms the little child who has been neglected and abused, then molests him with threats of death if he tells?
    The ones who actually physically “Beat” catholicism into my father when he was a tiny boy, thus successfully keeping my own Dad out of any church building for the ENTIRE rest of his life?
    No scripture authorizing a person to do those things with a free reign from God Himself?
    To change God’s very own words and plans. to suit earthly flesh and desire for manipulation and control and money and sexual needs?
    I thought not.
    Thank you Abba Father. Thank you that I am not subject to this trash from the devil. Thank you Jesus…..I am so very thankful you saved me from that filth.

    God Bless us all,
    Joni

  9. Matt says:

    John,
    1 Corinthians 3:11-15 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any one builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble – each man’s work will become manifest; for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.
    This is proof of purgatory.

    • JohnMcTernan says:

      Matt,
      This is not purgatory, but it when we stand in judgment before the Lord Jesus Christ.
      There are rewards for those who produced gold and silver in their lives for Jesus.
      For others, it was wood and hay, which will be burnt up at the judgment, and NOT in purgatory.
      These people will be saved but the fire will have burned everything away but their salvation.
      Please come out of Romanism and under the real saving gospel of Jesus Christ.

  10. Matt says:

    John,
    “These people will be saved but the fire will have burned everything away but their salvation.” You have essentially defined purgatory. After judgment, the fire will burn everything away. For some souls, the fire will be brief, for other souls it can be a long time.

    • JohnMcTernan says:

      No Matt. Your purgatory is where people suffer for their sins so they can go to heaven.
      These verses are for eternal rewards and have nothing to do with salvation.
      This judgment is when all believers stand before Christ to receive rewards for being faithful to Christ.
      Once again, this has nothing to do with suffering for sin, for Christ paid the price for sin.
      This is for rewards which is not what your purgatory is for.

  11. Dan.w says:

    Matt,those who say,Lord,Lord…are not believers because they are telling Christ what they have done,any true believer would tell of what the Lord has done.We bring attention to Him if we are saved..,The lost bring attention to themselves and other fallen ‘creatures’..showing they are not saved..but in a [religion].